The new system means Kuva liches and Corpus liches have completely separate planets, and Kuva liches don't control Venus. I want you to know that this isn't any kind of personal attack, but almost everything in this post is the exact opposite of what you want to do. Excellent point.Let's not forget that rank influences thrall spawn rate. Hilarious, haven't needed to grind requiems since the first week of the first lich update. Equip the known requiem mod in the first slot, and the remaining two slots being random. 4 - Start guessing mod order upon first mod revealed, not later. Okay, I did some more testing on a new lich and here's what I found. Unlock the second murmur, and place it into the first or second slot, depending on the previous results. If it makes you feel better go right ahead. Trade for the ones you are short. Instead we want them to stay around as long as possible because they will Convert up to 10 Grineer into Thralls if they get within 20meters of them approx 15secs between Conversions. Depleting a Lich's health bar to 5% will cause them to stumble and begin to gradually recover health for 10 seconds, giving the player a chance to use their Parazon for a Mercy attack. Yeaharound 7 minutes is when my team noticed no more thralls and the longest I've been in a Kuva Lich mission is 8 minutes where we clearly had several minutes fighting a lich who did not convert. 2 - Always stab your Lich, the outcome is worth it. Collect murmurs until the second hint is acquired. In Survival missions, the hunt may continue until the air support reaches to 0 and all enemies are dead. In my experience, around 1-2 per mission. If this fails, move it to the second slot. They should either let me send him away without leveling him up, or give a failed kill some appreciable benefit besides making it a chore to kill him later, have him run away after being ignored for a couple downs, something like that. Jarriaga, June 12, 2021 in General Discussion. As the Requiem Murmurs build up, they will reveal one of the Requiem Mods that you need to kill your Lich. Demanding that people stab their lich is only costing everyone murmurs, including that player,and increasing the grind. It is entirely possible that a Lich will appear long before the player has deduced all three Requiem mods; because of this, killing or even fighting the Lich is not required for mission success (for example, waves in Defense missions will end even if the Lich is still active). (NSW)Greybones PC Member 4.1k Posted June 12, 2021 Just now, Godzilla853 said: 2 - Always stab your Lich, the outcome is worth it. 2. I'm surprised this hasn't become common knowledge given murmur farming is done 24/7 in waframe. I can easily drop my lich in a few minutes at rank 5 like many others but I'm well aware that other players may find them a bit tough to want to do that. The present Lich must be repelled or defeated in order for another player's Lich to spawn. An incredibly tanky frame like Inaros and Rhino with a very accurate hitscan weapon works wonders; simply dodge and roll to avoid getting killed by the crowd of twenty dudes shooting at you, then pick off the thralls the lich converts. This is what you call aContent IslandTM. I suggested something like that over a year ago. I know exactly what will happen if 4 spawn. Oh, a system like relic cracking, that has been a coop mode to its core since its conception and for many years now, isn't taylored for solo play ? Relics of any kind are an exception. The player has 20 seconds to choose. So, smart play from you,but definitelynot for everyone. I usually murmur farm solo, but tried going in a group the last few days and found the progression to be kind of wonky. I don't really care about the time, since I like to spice it up using odd (non-meta) warframes and weapons to try and increase the fun (after "a lot" ofliches the fun part tends to disappear using meta stuff and the "max effective farming"-approach). You will kill less thrall for each lich. 12 missions, 85 thralls + a random lich kill during the hunt somewhere. Again, the lich system has a 1-time optional front-loading of getting the initial mod set. Something with a bit more variety involved. Use your brains and happy hunting. Especially with the recent addition of Oul. - Stick to missions Capture, Mobile Defense, Exterminate, Sabotage and Survival You are all actively completely the objective while farming thralls. With only 4 requiem relics around, your chances of getting the one you want are significantly better. Each one fully depletes one mod ( 1 charge of 3 mods ~=1 full mod), and if you do that or slightly more you will keep ahead of it. One mission pretty much equals to your first requiem unveil. (still boring and forced to play even more boring mission types) Not all the time, but most of the time. Keep in mind though that an active lich doesn't mean a big boost in thrall spawns. this is a huge pile of shit in the middle of any lich/sister hunt (or else it means carefully managing the nemesis rage meter in tandem with your murmur farm). I usually murmur farm solo, but tried going in a group the last few days and found the progression to be kind of wonky. She can even turn invisible and is an all-around offensive powerhouse, capable of support and . I'm generating a 3rd Lich now to confirm yesterday's findings. Thank you! Like I said before, by playing in a group you are giving yourself a 1/4 chance of your lich spawning, instead of being guaranteed that your lich will spawn if a lich spawns at all. If you do it right, you should only have to stab your lich 4 or 5 times. Warframe Farming Resources You make it sound like a negative. So yes, it's not an easy game to play, and you may end up running out of patience. Lots of people start without the mods and just farm the ones they need for the current lich. Once depleted, the Lich will be finally defeated for good and prompt one final Mercy. The numbers before where 50+50+70 kills for the three murmurs, so they cut the grind in half. There's a couppe of reasons why and the biggest reason being it saves you time and maximises your uptime for these spawns. You get kuva from both missions and you can use the Kuva Survival tostock up on Void Traces as well. There are a couple of reasons to stab your lich that are highly positive and outweight any negativity towards not stabbing them. I understand you prefer solo play. So there you have it feel free to comment and let us know if these tips help you or not. What is time on grinding out a kuva weapon? But sure, its just about wanting everything quick and easy. It really goes down to how much time you can spend on warframe each day, and the weapons that you're using. My method isn't for everyone, not everyone will enjoy playing this way. However, advanced weapons and frames can take up weeks and dozens of hours. After the mission in the lich profile screen, I see the 2nd murmur bar at around 30%. If the Requiem order is incorrect, the Parazon attempt(s) will stop at the first incorrect mod. it is getting veryannoying. So your Lich has to be pre-update. This thread got me to start another lich just for the sake of checking out the new murmur speed. Given that angering the lich for the final fight can still be a time sink and the whole larvling farming issue, the system could be streamlined further. When a lich spawns, don't attack them, don't kill any enemy near them. If the Lich has an. 3 - Always play with a full team. By Warframe and the Warframe logo are trademarks of Digital Extremes Ltd. Am 13.6.2021 um 00:56 schrieb (NSW)Greybones: On 2021-06-13 at 1:28 AM, Tesseract7777 said: [UPDATE: Seems legit] Is it me or did DE massively improve murmur farming time? EDIT 2. Archived post. So down with after stabbing an enraged lich becomes more beneficial. It really goes down to how much time you can spend on warframe each day, and the weapons that you're using. This will consistently spawn Thralls which you can farm. Could be me and my lag, but I have yet to see or hear that as an ability. Also that leaves the chances for DCing and missing out rewards. After 6 rows of liches and 3 ephemera, I am personally taking a pause, probably, but I would be lying if I said that I had not enjoyed this journey ( last weapon was twin stubba, which is probably my favorite, go figure). Killing 5-20 enemies triggers the creation of a thrall in most missions. He can justify the method all he want -i'm sure they're all legitimate reasons it's the complaining that's not gonna win him any rep around here. When I "solo" liches I prefer to "chill play" and solvethecode instead of brute-force. I suggested something like that over a year ago: Have both you and the Lich be affected in different thematic ways depending on which mission you decide to farm thralls on. I gotta say, the murmur system is fantastic now (At least for the sisters) Not only are the planets fixed for each level, so PUBs are much, much easier to get, but the murmur grind is significantly faster. but Do Not be tempted to Stab the Lich at this time. But the number one best source of endo in the game is steel path vodyanoi with a mod drop chance booster, a khora, a nekros, a pull frame (let's say nidus) and then whatever (say wisp) and body cutting weaponary and decent (see ssd at a minimum) hardware and competent team. The stats of the Lich being traded can be previewed by right-clicking its token. Check Kuva Lich there and you'll find more complete info. I do think DE accidentally released this early and you can see on the lich page that the requiem progress does not match the in mission progress. 2020 Digital Extremes Ltd. All rights reserved. For example : Cant deny that Id like a slightly more active lich. They's gonna patch that. Weird, i also find the murmur gathering faster lately, but that might be due to myself not touching Kuva Liches for a long, long time and coming back after a while. If you do not intend to X your own lich , please don't join a public and run your own solo game and X those thrall for murmur. DE needs to do something about only 1 lich spawning at a time. What to do? I'm having trouble believing you on this, since people are also trying to farm murmurs for their sister and getting lich's / thralls instead of the doggos. Then, if you know what one of the mods you need is, stab them AFTER they've converted as many thralls as possible. Depending on luck it generally takes1 - 2hours. This guide has almost all your points: https://xplainthegame.com/kuva-lich-guide/. Please don't mistake the fact RNGesus apparently loves you for anything but that, I have slain a total of 20 'Nemesi' since Sisters dropped and have gotten 2 Oulls that is not 'like crazy all the time', and I'll easily got 4-5 runs/rounds with a full group just to get 1 Requiem mod(usually the one I already have the most of)so there's no chance of me making a stockpile that'll last several lifetimes. You can pretty easily hit 1k+ endo a . Shorter missions last 2 to 3 minutes where as thrall spawns last for the first 5 minutes of a mission. This component is required for crafting weapons (including Archwing weapons) and Warframe parts as well as cosmetics and more. So here goes its very simple really, when a lich spawns stop killing and do not attempt to down the lich, run away if you must. And this is taking by far, by far, the longest of anything I've done in this game. Not being able to do anything else when doing Murmur Grind. By not stabbing them and going for converted thralls instead, I'm not only getting more murmurs on average,I also keep the chance of them spawning high, so I don't end up in the situation of knowing what the combo is while having to run five missions just to get the lich to show up, with absolutely no gain (once all murmurs are revealed, thralls no longer drop relics), which is a terrible spot to be in. But knowing this community I'm pretty sure that someone will absolutely disagree and think that it's absolutely nonsense, illogical, and absurd. Using this method, I typically get my Lich Symbols all unlocked within 2.5 Planets worth of nodes cleared. As a lich killer, who has killed killed 165 lichs I can make another to test. Oh wait, you can. I take around 1 hour per lich on average, sometimes a little longer, sometimes a bit less. Again, this isn't anything personal, I'm just trying to help you and anyone else who'll take a minute to read and think. The Sisters updated "streamlined" the whole process for Liches/Sisters, including the Quell murmur ( skeleton key, basically ) and the Lich/Sister beacon. I'm only missing the Ogris. Exterminate, Capture, Moblile Defense andSabotage are the best, as there is no time limit. Most unlucky I ever got was with the Baza Prime. Some people thought it was too long, in my opinion the original amount needed was way too much. Like I said you can't farm for a specific relic either. It is not in my best interest to stab my lich if I don't already know 2/3 requiems IMO - it risks leveling him needlessly, and if I get position 1 right I also lock in the known 2nd mod's position (either it's in 2 or 3, and if the stab doesn't give 2/3 that means known #2 is in pos 3, and unknown is pos 2). I agree murmur farming was improved. I don't recall ever reaching stage 3 in a single planet before. Terviren 3 yr. ago Your Lich has some of starchart nodes under control. This is what works best for me and if you have a differefent method feel free to share your own tips as well. If no choice is made, the Lich is automatically vanquished. The first one is obvious. and not earlier. Say it reveals Khra. If the farm is taking you many months - then you are either getting tremendously unlucky or you are doing something very wrong. Exterminate: In mission, the 2nd murmur bar reached about 25% after the first thrall. As for not being able to target a specific relic - there are currently 9 Lith relics in rotation (and 13 Axi). 5-10 converts + 5-10 spawned will net you twice the thralls on average. But requiem fissures, like any other fissure, are best run in a squad. Most players still think that powering through is the best way to do this;it's not. Some players do not specifically want for the grind to be easier, some playerswant to progress the grind by doing other things at the sane time even if its not as efficient as doing it actively. I do, and never had to really grind requiem mods. First and foremost you get a big chunk to your murmurs, about ten thralls. I do this in solo. Since thralls have a 5% drop rate for requiem relics, "chilling" lichs by hunting down a lot of thralls will make requiem usagepretty much self-sufficient (= no need to do Kuva Floods for requiems once you get everything going). But it's still going to be a couple of weeks of fairly chill farming - not many months as you've been saying! The original design of Liches left me playing solo for halfa year because people were straight-up quitting the game after seeing how ludicrous the grind would be. But might add that sense of This ones bad news? Also it levels up my lich which only makes killing him more of a pain, and the benefit in murmur progress isn't worth the PITA it results in later. Usually the lich is dead in 8-10 missions. These ruthless assassins - aided by their ferocious robotic Hounds - are the latest chapter in the Corpus' aggressive expansion and must be neutralized at all costs. I avoid rescue missions because I got prisoner killed pretty often when lich appeared. Defense: During the mission, I can swear I saw the murmur bar reach about 70%. - Get your lich to level 5, it's rage meter seems to refill faster and increase the frequency of appearances. I don't mind grind. Before update, the requiem relic I got from murmur farming was sufficient for the whole lich exercise. The event will run until June. Unlock the second murmur, and place it into the first or second slot, depending on the previous results. Any more than say 2 hours is way too long. #kuvalich #kuvahek #kuvagrattler #kuvazarrSupport the channel by becoming a patron: https://www.patreon.com/grindhardsquad?fan_landing=trueFor business i. If sentto mission, wait for more players. Not only suiciding by the lich without mods does not help you, it actually actively sets you back. Where a mission such as Rescue or Mobile Defense forces you to pay attention to the objective while trying to juggle thrall kills at the same time. I cant farm my lich murmurs cause its on venus (lich spawned pre-update)and whenever Iqueue a mission it matchmakes me to a sister mission and thus Idont get murmurs for it. How on earth does it take you that long? Not sure if this has anything to do with multiplayer, not sure if this has anything to do with mission type, not sure if this is new. February 27, 2023 new bill passed in nj for inmates 2022 No Comments . Many people decided to do manual thrall counts and it does seem improved by around 33%. Then I went back to solo again and it seemed to be back to what it was. I usually bring a Grendel when forced to do shorter missions and a Ledgermain Mirage Prime for the longer ones to nuke out the entire map. Congratulations. But you obviously don't want to be convinced, so have fun doing the most suboptimal grind possible and blaming the game for it. Getting the relics, thrall grinding for the right weapon, fighting lich, repeating it for extra copies to max out elemental damage and re-forma 5 times. Because the supposed murmur required was 36, it seems DE reduced it by around 33%. Warframe and the Warframe logo are trademarks of Digital Extremes Ltd. [UPDATE: Seems legit] Is it me or did DE massively improve murmur farming time? Hello and thank you for watching the video!Hope you enjoyed and feel free to leave a like,comment and subcribe if you did it would be greatly appreciated.?. While their shields can be removed, its armor cannot be stripped. Only one Lich can be present at any given time. That's how much it took me to get a lich just now. Then I went back to solo again and it seemed to be back to what it was. Once they become Angry and start to show up we start 'edging'. And since there are only 4 different relics, public squads are completely viable for that. Survival isn't bad, but the thralls spawn in a burst that dies out rather quickly, and it's not good for taking advantage of converted thralls since there's a time limit and the need to get life support. Your Lich can rarely spawn in your requiem fissure runs in an attempt to stop you from getting the requiems. The player will be given two choices: Vanquish the Kuva Lich or Convert it. in second mission, thralls were mains along with some sister dogs, and at the end my sister came so i could finish her. Railjack was a prime example of this when it was first released. Normal relics are generally much easier to obtain. Actually this is completely backwards. That's insane and if I'm completely honest, the person at DE that thought this was a good idea deserves to be flayed by the community. 4. Not saying that this type of Sortie style mission chain should replace the thrall farm, but simply as an alternate option to it. Demanding that people stab their lich is only costing everyone murmurs, including that player,and increasing the grind. Killing a Thrall via a Mercy Finisher will reward all players in the mission one Requiem Murmur. and the Lich dead before the 3rd planet is cleared. I can understand farming the actual liches solo (I do that too, and it's actually faster than messing around with squads). If a player joins a mission mid-progress, all killed Thralls and repelled Liches are instantly added to the Murmur progress. Equip this new requiem mod into the soonest unknown slot (the first slot if the above step was unsuccessful, otherwise the second slot). Interception allows you to "safeguard" a node that has not been conquered and keeps it clean (No resource loss) even if the rest of the planet is conquered. New players probably are avoiding Kuva Lich system like aplague, so they have to nerf grind here and there, lol. 2. This makes guessing the second mod placement much easier and sometimes can even net you an easy kill by guessing the third one correctly in a 1/6 chance. i was dreading doing the same, long, boring grind for granum weapons, but if its been changed to this degree i'm ecstatic. If the first known requiem fails the first slot, move it to the third slot. When you get another attempt, it should reveal where that first mod should be placed. I mean a lich is out to kill the player so having an exploit to make it ghost away is absurd. Ten steps forward and, like, 40 steps back. Having a full team is not just a great benefit but also acts as a safety net incase you can't handle your lich. This is worse the lower your lich's level is, as well. If you want to send a lich away and someone won't stab it, play revenant. Again, you get less converts, and you reduce the chances of your lich spawning. They also do not do the whole finger point and convert thing. So best strategy for active lichs is to stab attempt and allow another to spawn. I always stab my lich and try to brute force the combination rather than bother farming all 3 murmur rings. This fact alone increases your time on the loading screen and creates more downtime than needed, so not only do you miss out on thralls for those missions you yourself end up sitting there waiting going back and forth between missions more than necessary. I think they may still be tweaking the values of murmurs on the back end to try to get a good medium between clearing/farming time and that's why we haven't gotten an official patch note regarding it. I do hope that they lower the randomness more than has been proposed. Always let your lich convert as many enemies as possible, only kill the converted thralls around them until they stop converting thralls. There are also many different warframes to choose from, which come with a unique set of skills. Following these tips reduces my grind down to a couple of hours at most and makes my gameplay less stressful. I can only state my own experiences. and after her and a few more thralls, the 2nd murmur bar is up to 50%. Were you playing solo, or in a group? And if the farm is just ill advised to do solo, then there's the issue. Second a lich ranking up allows them to control another sector of another planet, which opens the way for more of the missions we want, defense, interception, and survival. Easy there. How To Get Kuva Weapons in Warframe! How on earth does it take you that long? Collect murmurs until the second hint is acquired. What to do? She was shy suffice to say it is not a newer player friendly method. You can easily be adding 4-5 missions of filler into your time. Useful frames to increase amount of Endo per minute include Nekros with Despoil for Desecrate, Nidus for Larva, Khora with Pilfering Strangledome for Strangledome and Wisp for Reservoirs and crowd-control weapons modded for Viral damage (such as Ignis Wraith ), yielding upwards of 18,000 per hour. 1 - Play longer missions, short ones suck for murmurs. Sign up for a new account in our community. You need to be a member in order to leave a comment. You should read my post on experimenting with the conversion theory. I wish there was a mechanic where you could "force" the larvling to have the kuva weapon you downed it with. You start off with your Lich being Indifferent and a low chance of appearing. For the Corpus counterpart, see Sisters of Parvos. This is mostly correct. - I try to stagger the Mobile Defense and Survival missions a bit as theses are the 2 mission types that I'm likely to be in the mission for 5 minutes or more and has a better chance of spawning my lich, so I do a few missions in between to get some thralls and make the lich mad so it appears. the issue people have with the murmur grind was 2 things By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. The second part isn't correct because those are the mission types you don't want, like I explained above. I believe the thrall required for each requiem was halved or something. Not to mention how the negativity wave just dampens the chance of receiving any good guides that mention actual murmur mechanics.